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Some Rando
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.11.13 21:37:24 -
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Bertucio wrote:1) there are quite a few players in Eve that play solo and enjoy playing solo
I play "solo" most of the time and I have never been ganked in a hauler (Orca on down) in high-sec because it is laughably easy to avoid it (and I don't fly a freighter because I a) don't need it and never will, and b) don't bother with a second account): pick the right ship for the job, tank it and fit it as needed (don't forget about "align" and "cloak" tanks!), stay at the keyboard, warp to 0, bring friends as needed, don't haul overly expensive stuff in it, etc... I play the game, I don't put things on autopilot and expect it to get there in one piece because this is a game all about player interaction, and anyone can ruin your day at a moment's notice if you don't actually play.
Bertucio wrote:If you're arguing that reality should change and everyone should now fly with some partner - well, I doubt that is going to be happening anytime soon. People will simply avoid the Bowhead - at least those who fly in hi-sec for safety, and will go back to single ship transport. Less risk - less susceptibility to gankers.
As always, it is up to the player to make choices on how and when something is to be flown. That's the great thing about this game, even flying "solo" you can and will affect other's actions (in this case, to gank something else). The entitlement here from people who want everything delivered to them on a silver platter with no effort or having some expectation that other people cannot affect them in a free-market PvP game is just disgusting.
This thing has midslots and oodles of fitting options, plus plenty of inherent tank. I don't see any problems with it, although I'll bow to the CSM rep here and agree that it could use a bit more tank, but it's pretty solid as-is. Can it MWD align?
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Some Rando
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
1282
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Posted - 2014.11.13 22:05:17 -
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Bertucio wrote:Actually it's the gankers here that have been arguing for "entitlement" i.e. their entitlement to use a bunch of cheap dessies to take down a Billion+ freighter and its goods.
So basically what you're saying is that if I fit a 1 billion ISK module to my frigate it should be unkillable without someone bringing 1 billion ISK worth of other ships? That's ridiculous, and why cost should never be a major balancing factor. EVE isn't a pay-to-win game.
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Some Rando
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
1282
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Posted - 2014.11.13 22:20:45 -
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Bertucio wrote:Yeah - that's what I'm saying. If you spend a billion ISK on a freighter, than something around a billion ISK should be spent to take it down in hi-sec. That gankers shouldn't be entitled to take it down unless they also risk what the freighter pilot is risking - a billion ISK.
Let me get this straight, if I undock a shuttle with 30 PLEX in it, the amount of ships needed to kill my shuttle should be equivalent to the current value of 30 PLEX? Is that your reasoning?
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Some Rando
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
1282
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Posted - 2014.11.13 22:46:04 -
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Bertucio wrote:Let me get this straight, shipping 30 PLEX is the same as a slow freighter flying through Uedama?
If you weren't hauling expensive stuff in that freighter your chances of being a target would go down astronomically because ganking costs time and ISK, same as the freighter. If it takes 35 dudes in Catalysts (minimum) to take down a (well-tanked) Bowhead the manpower cost is quite high; you need a guy to scan Bowheads looking for a good profit, you need a guy to bump, you need 35 dudes all sitting around waiting on a moment's notice to undock and bring down righteous fury on the careless carebear, you need a guy in a freighter to scoop the loot (that's a major risk) or multiple guys to hop in those ships (still a major risk), you need alts to bring in ganking gear, you need market alts to sell the goods,, etc... The time in person-hours required to take down a Bowhead with destroyers is substantial if you want to be profitable. If you're doing it "for lulz" you still need financing and logistics, which might come from donations (in CODE.'s case) which involves the toil of many other people. A ton of effort goes into a successful gank. Your argument about the effort of and cost to a single player is irrelevant compared to the organization required for ganking.
Bertucio wrote:Because if you're arguing that shipping 30 PLEX is the same as a freighter trying to transport stuff through Uedama then your argument is irrelevant. The two are not the same.
Your argument amounts to cost being the balancing factor, so they are the same thing. Is not the sweat of my brow equal in worth to yours?
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Some Rando
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
1282
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Posted - 2014.11.13 22:52:47 -
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Masao Kurata wrote:A well tanked bowhead which isn't AFK, not a freighter, and that's if using destroyers.
Thank you for the correction.
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Some Rando
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
1290
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Posted - 2014.11.14 22:01:14 -
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baltec1 wrote:That's a rather bad article, Griefing is a bannable offence and is very much not what was described in that site.
It's also hideously out of date.
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